Legislature(2001 - 2002)

02/05/2002 09:40 AM Senate FIN

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                     SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                 
                         February 05, 2002                                                                                    
                              9:40 AM                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
TAPES                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SFC-02 # 5, Side A                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                              
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Pete Kelly convened the meeting at approximately 9:40 AM.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dave Donley, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Pete Kelly, Co-Chair                                                                                                    
Senator Loren Leman                                                                                                             
Senator Lyda Green                                                                                                              
Senator Gary Wilken                                                                                                             
Senator Alan Austerman                                                                                                          
Senator Lyman Hoffman                                                                                                           
Senator Donald Olson                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Also Attending:  ANNALEE MCCONNELL, Director, Office of Management                                                            
and Budget; DEVEN MITCHELL, Debt Manager, Treasure Division,                                                                    
Department of Revenue                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY INFORMATION                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SB 247-REAPPROPRIATIONS & CAPITAL APPROPRIATIONS                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
The Committee heard an overview from the Office of Management and                                                               
Budget and the Department of Revenue. The bill was held.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     SENATE BILL NO. 247                                                                                                        
     "An  Act making capital  appropriations  and reappropriations,                                                             
     and capitalizing  funds; making  appropriations under  art. IX,                                                            
     sec.  17(c), Constitution  of  the State  of  Alaska, from  the                                                            
     constitutional   budget reserve  fund;  and  providing  for  an                                                            
     effective date."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
This was the first hearing for this bill in the Senate Finance                                                                  
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly noted  the purpose  of this  meeting  is to hear  an                                                            
overview of  the FY 03 capital budget  as proposed by Governor  Tony                                                            
Knowles. He stated  that the Committee would have  an opportunity to                                                            
hear   presentations   on   specific   projects    from   department                                                            
representatives in future hearings.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
ANNALEE  MCCONNELL,  Director,  Office  of  Management  and  Budget,                                                            
shared that the Department  has "a tremendous amount of information"                                                            
about the FY  03 proposed capital  budget available on the  Internet                                                            
via   the   Office    of   Management   and   Budget    website   at                                                            
www.gov.state.ak.us/omb.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell  stated  that 65  percent,  the largest  share of  the                                                            
funding is allocated  to transportation projects.  She noted this is                                                            
consistent  with previous  years. She pointed  out the next  largest                                                            
increment  of 17  percent is  for health  and safety  projects.  She                                                            
referenced  a handout: Governor  Knowles'  Proposed FY 2003  Capital                                                            
Budget Overview  [copy on file.], which lists the  projects by major                                                            
categories.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell  stressed the  proposed budget  leverages the  maximum                                                            
amount of federal funds  possible. She stated that 73 percent of the                                                            
total budget proposal  is federal funds. She noted  the general fund                                                            
source comprises  12 percent of the  budget and represents  the same                                                            
dollar amount of $114 million, as the current budget.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell  then spoke  of dividend funding  sources included  in                                                            
the proposed capital budget:  the Alaska Housing Finance Corporation                                                            
(AHFC)  dividend,  the  Alaska  Industrial  Development  and  Export                                                            
Authority   (AIDEA)  dividend   and  the   Postsecondary   Education                                                            
Commission dividend. She  commented that a "positive trend in recent                                                            
years" has been  to include AHFC and AIDEA dividends  in the capital                                                            
budget  rather then  the operating  budget. This  budget, she  said,                                                            
proposes  to   transfer  the  Postsecondary   Education   Commission                                                            
dividend as well.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell  stated this budget reflects "some pretty  significant                                                            
increases"  in  the amount  of  general funds  necessary  to  secure                                                            
federal  funds. For  example,  she said  approximately  $20  million                                                            
additional general funds  are needed for transportation projects and                                                            
$4.7 million for water and sewer projects.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell  informed  the amount  of federal  funds available  is                                                            
less then in  the FY 02 budget, which  had included $93 million  for                                                            
"earmarked"  specific projects  and  $33 million  for Alaska  Marine                                                            
Highway  System  projects. She  assured  there "is  still  a lot  of                                                            
unknown  territory in  the federal  budget for this  year" and  that                                                            
funding  has been  allocated  later  in the  year than  normal.  The                                                            
delays,  she  attributed  to  the  increased  attention  devoted  to                                                            
homeland  security.  As a  result  of the  delays, she  shared  that                                                            
amendments would continually  be submitted to this budget to reflect                                                            
upcoming federal appropriations.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell remarked  other state matching fund appropriations are                                                            
included  in  this  budget that  are  not  for  identified  priority                                                            
projects, but rather are  necessary to meet new federal requirements                                                            
relating  to child protection  and health  insurance. She  explained                                                            
that recently adopted federal  laws provide that the state must make                                                            
"substantial  changes"  to the  management information  system.  She                                                            
said these appropriations  are included in the Department  of Health                                                            
and Social Services portion  of the budget and utilize federal funds                                                            
and matching general funds.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  McConnell  commented  the  "general  fund/match"  category  has                                                            
historically been  used in project proposals to indicate  that state                                                            
general funds are necessary  to garner federal funding. However, she                                                            
said a similar  category does not  exist in the detailing  for those                                                            
projects  utilizing AHFC  dividends and other  non-general  funds as                                                            
the required  matching funds. She  gave sewer and water projects  as                                                            
an example.  As a result  of this discrepancy,  she said the  actual                                                            
amount  of  state  funds necessary  to  garner  federal  funding  is                                                            
understated.  She  suggested creating  a  designation  for the  non-                                                            
general funds used as matching funds.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell  next  addressed bond  proposals,  which although  not                                                            
included as part of the  proposed capital budget, "could play a very                                                            
large role  in our capital infrastructure  proposals for  the public                                                            
this  year."  She stated  that  two  bond proposals  exist  for  the                                                            
current  fiscal   year  and  in  addition,  the  Governor   recently                                                            
submitted two new bond proposals to the Legislature.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell  spoke to the recent proposals, one  of which requests                                                            
$212 million  for  school construction  and major  maintenance.  She                                                            
told  of  the decision  to  include  these  projects  in  a  general                                                            
obligation  bond  package  rather  then as  a  part of  the  regular                                                            
capital budget.   She surmised that if bond proposals  receive voter                                                            
approval in the next three  general elections, the entire backlog of                                                            
school construction  and major repair  projects would be  addressed.                                                            
At  this point,  she continued,  it  would be  possible  to have  an                                                            
annual capital  budget of between  $80 and $100 million specific  to                                                            
schools  that  would be  paid  with  "cash" or  bond  revenues.  She                                                            
concluded   this  method  would  address   rural  and  urban   needs                                                            
throughout the state.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell  listed  the deferred  maintenance  bond proposal  for                                                            
$136 million  as the  second proposal  submitted  this session.  She                                                            
spoke to the  efforts of the legislative  Deferred Maintenance  Task                                                            
Force in identifying the needs.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell  remarked the  reason for recommending  the four  bond                                                            
proposals at this  time is the "particularly good  environment right                                                            
now for bonding."  She explained that  interest rates are  currently                                                            
low,  which  could be  advantageous.  She  relayed  that  Government                                                            
Finance Associates,  the state's bond  advisors, were consulted  and                                                            
subsequently advised, "The  long-term tax-exempt interest rates have                                                            
been at their present low  levels only about ten percent of the time                                                            
since 1983."  In addition,  she said, the  advisors instructed  that                                                            
changes  to federal  tax  regulations  relating to  the comparative                                                             
rating  currently under  consideration  could make  the bond  market                                                            
less desirable in the future.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell  shared that Administration had considered  whether to                                                            
include all  of the requested deferred  maintenance projects  in the                                                            
bond  package  or to  include  some  in  the FY  03  capital  budget                                                            
proposal.  The decision  was made,  she said,  to list  some of  the                                                            
projects  in the  capital budget  in order  to maintain  the  "basic                                                            
level" of funding  for deferred maintenance projects  in the capital                                                            
budget. She gave as one  reason the assumption that even with a bond                                                            
package, basic  repair needs to ensure the life of  a facility, such                                                            
as roof  repairs, would  remain. She  also noted  the difficulty  in                                                            
"restoring" these expenditures  in a budget once they have been paid                                                            
with other one-time funds.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell  next advised there would be no debt  service incurred                                                            
on these bonds  in FY 03 due to the  timeline involved and  when the                                                            
bonds would be sold. She  stated that the total maximum debt service                                                            
for the four bond  packages would be approximately  $39 million, and                                                            
would be approximately $29 million in FY 04.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell  noted that  the intent of  the proposed bond  package                                                            
for harbor projects is  to continue the process of previous AHFC and                                                            
tobacco  settlement  funded bonds,  "to bring  harbors  up to  basic                                                            
level of good repair" then  transfer ownership to local governments.                                                            
She  listed   the  benefits   to  local   communities  as   economic                                                            
development  potential  and the  elimination  of dependency  on  the                                                            
state government  to perform maintenance  and repair. She  noted the                                                            
current  bond package  addresses the  remaining  harbor projects  in                                                            
communities that are "willing and able" to take ownership.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly  asked if  every  project  included in  the  current                                                            
harbors  bond package  has  the purpose  of conducting  repairs  and                                                            
improvements to allow transfer of ownership.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell  responded that only  one project is not connected  to                                                            
an ownership  transfer.  She detailed  the U.S.  Corps of  Engineers                                                            
project in Wrangell  and explained it is included  in the package to                                                            
coincide with  several other Wrangell harbor projects  that are tied                                                            
to ownership transfers,  which would allow all Wrangell  projects to                                                            
be undertaken simultaneously.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell  stated  that amendments  to the  current harbor  bond                                                            
package  would  be submitted  to  add several  projects  located  in                                                            
communities that  were unable to assume ownership  when the original                                                            
package  was   compiled.  She  noted   that  31  harbors   would  be                                                            
transferred  from  state  to  local  ownership,  many  in  the  same                                                            
communities. She  listed the total package amount  as $39 million in                                                            
revenue  bonds,  which  would  be  repaid  with  proceeds  from  the                                                            
existing marine fuel tax.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly then asked  about the Certificate  of Participation                                                             
(COP)  process  and  how  it  is applied   to deferred  maintenance                                                             
projects.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell  replied that  rather then issuing  a lease for  every                                                            
facility  that has  a deferred  maintenance  project;  four or  five                                                            
select facilities would "stand in" for the whole package.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DEVEN  MITCHELL,  Debt Manager,  Treasury  Division,  Department  of                                                            
Revenue, testified  the COP structure has been used  in the past for                                                            
stand-alone facilities,  such as the recent Department of Health and                                                            
Social Services  laboratory in Anchorage, the Fairbanks  Courthouse,                                                            
Kenai  Courthouse, and  the Spring  Creek Correctional  Facility  in                                                            
Seward. He  explained the method of  granting a title interest  to a                                                            
trustee bank,  after which the Department  of Administration  enters                                                            
into a  lease with  that trustee  bank for  the amount  of the  debt                                                            
service on bonds that would  then be sold. He said this lease is the                                                            
"revenue stream"  that provides the  security to bond holders,  thus                                                            
the name: certificate  of participation,  since the bondholders  are                                                            
participating  in the lease through the certificates  they purchase.                                                            
At the term of the lease,  he continued, ownership, or lien interest                                                            
held by  the trustee bank,  is relinquished  and the free and  clear                                                            
title is returned to the State of Alaska.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell  next  spoke of  the differences  in  how this  process                                                            
would  be applied  to a multitude  of smaller  deferred maintenance                                                             
projects. He anticipated  that a few of the highest value facilities                                                            
would be  selected and  that leases  for these  facilities would  be                                                            
offered.  He expanded  saying,  a  limited  number of  leases  would                                                            
represent value  to bondholders in  an amount that could  leverage a                                                            
revenue  stream through  those  leases to  pay debt  service on  the                                                            
bonds.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly  requested further explanation. He  understood that a                                                            
specific  amount of  funds are  needed  to undertake  the dozens  of                                                            
deferred  maintenance projects  and that a  trustee bank "holds  the                                                            
paper" for  these funds,  but he questioned  why there is no  actual                                                            
property involved  as there is in a lease. He asked  what is purpose                                                            
of selecting a limited number of high value facilities.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell  responded the  reason for having  a limited number  of                                                            
facilities is  ease of transaction. He stated that  issuing over 200                                                            
title  interests, one  for each  facility with  a proposed  deferred                                                            
maintenance project, would not be practical.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly  clarified that the  title of a facility in  a stand-                                                            
alone  project is  given to  a trustee  bank  in the  amount of  the                                                            
estimated  cost  of  the  proposed  project.  He asked  if  in  this                                                            
deferred maintenance  situation, titles  for a few facilities  would                                                            
be  issued  with liens  in  the amount  estimated  to  complete  the                                                            
projects  for all the facilities.  He likened  this method  to using                                                            
the value of a few facilities as collateral.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mitchell affirmed  and  added  that the  trustee  bank and  the                                                            
bondholders  are not interested  in ownership  of the facilities  in                                                            
the same  manner a  mortgage holder  is not interested  in owning  a                                                            
borrower's house.  He noted the State of Alaska makes  a "pledge" to                                                            
provide  an annual  appropriation to  cover debt  service, which  he                                                            
said is the "strength behind" the COP.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman  asked if  the trustee bank  purchases insurance  to                                                            
protect against  the possibility of  future legislatures  failing to                                                            
make debt service appropriations.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mitchell  replied   that  there  are  not  specific   insurance                                                            
requirements. He qualified  that the state is required to insure the                                                            
facility  offered for lease  in the same manner  it must insure  any                                                            
state-owned facility.  He pointed out however, there  is "a means of                                                            
adding  value  to  the  transaction"  through   bond  insurance.  He                                                            
elaborated  that  the deferred  maintenance  bond package  would  be                                                            
considered  a  typical  state-supported  debt  and would  receive  a                                                            
rating of  "A" compared to  the "AA" rating  the state receives  for                                                            
its general  obligation bonds. He  said the lower rating  is because                                                            
of the "lesser  pledge" involved.  He continued that bond  insurance                                                            
could be  purchased for an  "up front fee",  which correlates  to an                                                            
interest rate  increase, and would  increase the rating from  "A" to                                                            
"AAA". He said the increased  rating provides additional security to                                                            
bondholders; in  the event the state failed to pay,  the claim would                                                            
be honored  through this insurance.  In this instance, he  remarked,                                                            
the  insurance company  would  then pursue  the state  directly  for                                                            
repayment.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman  referenced other  pending legislation sponsored  by                                                            
Senator Green  relating to  a COP for construction  of correctional                                                             
facilities  throughout the state.  He asked if the process  would be                                                            
the  same  for  correctional   facility  projects   as  the  witness                                                            
described regarding deferred maintenance projects.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mitchell   responded   the  process   would  be  "similar   but                                                            
different".  He explained Senator  Green's legislation provides  for                                                            
the state  to enter into  leases with the  communities in which  the                                                            
facilities  would be located. The  communities, he continued,  would                                                            
issue lease revenue bonds  to provide improvements to the facilities                                                            
then assume  joint ownership of the  facilities. He said  this would                                                            
be similar  to the situation involving  the Anchorage Fourth  Avenue                                                            
Jail since  the state's  revenue  stream would  provide security  to                                                            
bondholders.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman  next  addressed  the proposed  $212  million  bond                                                            
package for school construction  and major maintenance projects.  He                                                            
asked for confirmation  that construction  of the included  projects                                                            
would  occur over  a two-year  period, and  it would  be hoped  that                                                            
future legislatures and  administrations would address the remaining                                                            
identified  projects. He asked why  all the identified projects  are                                                            
not included in  one bond package as opposed to the  current plan to                                                            
divide the  projects into  three bond proposals  to be presented  to                                                            
voters in consecutive  general elections.  He stated that  under the                                                            
current  plan  voters  would  have  to be  educated  on  the  matter                                                            
repeatedly  and  convinced more  than  once to  vote  for a  bonding                                                            
measure.  He suggested  concentrating  the efforts  into "one  sales                                                            
pitch."                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman  commented that because Alaska has  not undertaken a                                                            
major school construction  effort for several years,  only three new                                                            
schools  were   built  the  previous   year  and  "very   few"  were                                                            
constructed in rural areas in prior years.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell  responded the matter could be addressed  using either                                                            
method. She  said the current  plan divides  the number of  projects                                                            
into three portions of  approximately $200 million each; however, if                                                            
combined into  one bond package, it  could be clarified that  actual                                                            
construction would occur over a period of several years.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  McConnell added  the  school bond  package  gives "significant                                                             
advantage"  to communities.  She explained  that  most urban  school                                                            
construction   projects  have  been   funded  through  school   debt                                                            
reimbursement  programs  with  state reimbursement  of  70  percent,                                                            
which requires the community  to bond for 100 percent of the project                                                            
cost using their own debt  capacity. In contrast, she said this bond                                                            
package would provide the  state's 70 percent share to the community                                                            
in the form  of a grant. This method,  she continues, also  provides                                                            
assurance to local  governments that the state would  contribute its                                                            
full debt payment. She  noted there had only been one instance where                                                            
the legislature  failed to appropriate  the full reimbursement,  but                                                            
it is  still a  concern. She  added that  this method  is more  cost                                                            
effective as  well, because the state's  bond rating is higher  then                                                            
municipalities  and  lower  interest  rates could  be  secured.  She                                                            
remarked school  superintendents have supported this  method for the                                                            
aforementioned reasons.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Leman  then spoke to the harbor  transfers effort,  which he                                                            
worked on as a  member of the legislative Deferred  Maintenance Task                                                            
Force.  He  relayed  that the  task  force  oversaw  several  repair                                                            
projects with subsequent  ownership transfers. He asked if this bond                                                            
proposal includes  assurances that  once the repair and maintenance                                                             
projects are completed the transfers would actually occur.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell  replied the bond package  is structured to  stipulate                                                            
that before  the maintenance  and  repair projects  are started,  an                                                            
agreement is  entered into with the  community. She noted  the first                                                            
ownership transfers  were voluntary  and the repair and maintenance                                                             
projects  were  funded  with  AHFC   bonds,  which  do  not  require                                                            
ownership transfer. She  recommended ownership transfer requirements                                                            
for the proposed bond package projects.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Leman   supported   transferring   ownership   of   harbor                                                            
facilities.  He pointed out  the witness'  earlier testimony  stated                                                            
the  projects consist  of  basic maintenance  and  repair items.  He                                                            
considered these as operating  expenses, although he understood some                                                            
maintenance  and repair  expenses are  "over and  beyond" basic  on-                                                            
going needs. He  asked for clarification that the  proposed projects                                                            
were not for basic needs.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell  agreed that on-going  maintenance could be  addressed                                                            
in  the  operating  budget.  However,  she  attested   the  proposed                                                            
projects  in this bond package  are "gray  area," because the  needs                                                            
have  accumulated to  the point  that they  could  be considered  as                                                            
capital expenditures.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  McConnell  qualified the  proposed  deferred  maintenance  bond                                                            
package  includes  some  expansion  or  replacement   projects.  She                                                            
explained these  are instances where it has been determined  that it                                                            
is  not feasible  to  repair  the  existing facility,  such  as  the                                                            
Ketchikan Public  Safety Building. She suggested that  to attempt to                                                            
upgrade  the existing  facility would  only "pour  good money  after                                                            
bad".                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  McConnell  continued the  proposed  deferred  maintenance  bond                                                            
package also includes $4  million for projects relating to veteran's                                                            
housing.  She stated  these  funds would  match $6  million  federal                                                            
funds for the  purpose of addressing housing needs  for veterans who                                                            
are ineligible  for the  Pioneers' Homes,  due to age restrictions,                                                             
but still require assisted living.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell  recommended  the  deferred maintenance  bond  package                                                            
contain  a "specific  appropriate an  amount per  department"  as is                                                            
practiced currently with  deferred maintenance appropriations in the                                                            
capital budget.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell  also noted the package  contains separate  categories                                                            
for  Americans   With  Disabilities   Act  (ADA)  projects   at  the                                                            
University  of Alaska and other government  facilities. She  pointed                                                            
out that  several large ADA  upgrade projects  are on the  statewide                                                            
priority  list  and  would require  more  funds  then  are  normally                                                            
appropriated  in the regular capital  budget for facility  upgrades.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell  informed that  detailed information  is available  on                                                            
the  Internet  about  the  estimated   cost  of  each  project.  She                                                            
cautioned  that  not  all  expenses  could  be  anticipated.  As  an                                                            
example,  she  gave  a  scenario  of  a  roof  repair  project  with                                                            
additional  structural  damage  discovered  once  the  old  roof  is                                                            
removed. However,  she said, cost overruns would be  absorbed within                                                            
the  bond  allocation   of  the  affected  department   rather  then                                                            
reallocated from a different department.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Austerman assumed  some of the figures listed in the handout                                                            
are estimates  because they do not equal the total  amounts shown in                                                            
the summary.  He asked  the simplest  manner for  him to locate  and                                                            
review the other fund sources involved.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell  referred  to page  42 of  the bill,  which lists  the                                                            
appropriation  amount proposed  for  each department.  Page 46,  she                                                            
continued, has  the aggregate total of every funding  source for all                                                            
departments.  In addition,  she noted  the capital  project  summary                                                            
lists the amount of each funding source for every project.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wilken  noted past conversations  about Grant Anticipation,                                                             
Revenue Vehicles  (GARV) bonds. He  surmised this might be  the year                                                            
decide whether  to take action. He suggested a Committee  meeting to                                                            
focus solely  on GARV bonds  to address concerns  raised and  gather                                                            
information necessary  to make educated decisions  on the matter. He                                                            
informed  he  has  five  specific  questions.  He  also recommended                                                             
notifying   municipality   representatives  of   this  meeting   and                                                            
encouraging  them to  observe  for education  purposes  as well.  He                                                            
predicted this  would foster discussions  that could be based  on an                                                            
equal level of understanding.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly agreed  this  was a  good idea  and  assured such  a                                                            
meeting would be scheduled.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell  offered to  address Senator  Wilken's five  questions                                                            
beforehand, which she surmised might raise additional questions.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell suggested  it could helpful to look at debt service in                                                            
the same  matter. She  shared that  it has been  debated whether  to                                                            
include debt service payments  in the capital budget rather then the                                                            
operating budget  to more accurately  reflect capital expenditures.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  McConnell  elaborated  on  her  earlier  statements  about  the                                                            
advantages  of addressing capital  infrastructure at this  time. She                                                            
said that in addition  to the cost advantages of taking  action now,                                                            
other  "large  capital   intensive  efforts…are  on   the  horizon,"                                                            
including a natural gas  pipeline and military expansion. She opined                                                            
the current "bidding atmosphere"  is more advantageous then it would                                                            
be with other  large projects underway.  She also stressed  the need                                                            
ensure  the level  of construction  activity is  within the  instate                                                            
capacity  to undertake  these projects.  Otherwise,  she  cautioned,                                                            
out-of-state  contractors would be  needed, which would not  benefit                                                            
Alaskan workers.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
AT EASE 10:22 AM / 10:22 AM                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Pete Kelly adjourned the meeting at 10:23 AM.                                                                          

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